Tiphany Kane spent years being told she was too passionate about her work. The feedback that derailed her career in education turned out to be the pivot point that launched her into a second life as a media entrepreneur, and the story of how that happened is one that anyone standing at a professional crossroads will recognize. Career change after teaching is rarely a straight line, and Kane’s path proves that the qualities that get you rejected in one room can be exactly what you need to build something of your own.
Kane is the co-owner of an audio and video production company in Southern California. She works with video game studios, creates branded content for major companies, and is in the middle of building a physical studio from the ground up. She got there after two decades in elementary education, a master’s degree in administration, and a job rejection that forced her to ask a question most of us spend years avoiding: Is this organization actually the right fit for who I am?
Leaving Teaching Was Not the First Hard Choice She Made
Before Kane ever set foot in a classroom, she had already made one of the hardest decisions of her life. She was raised in what she describes as a highly controlling religious group, where college was actively discouraged and women’s roles were narrowly defined.
“Going to college was ungodlike,” Kane said. “I actually participated in skits and things of that sort where we admonished young people not to go to college.”
She left the group at 20 and put herself through college over eight years. By the time she landed a sales position with a wine company, she had already crossed several identities she never expected to inhabit. The next one came on September 11, 2001.
“The world is falling down around our ears, and you’ve got to find something wrong with this gorgeous wine,” Kane said, recalling a client interaction that day. “I went home and I really thought hard about what can I do that is going to make a difference in the world.”
That question led her back to a career she had been quietly resistant to for years. Teaching felt too predictable, too much like the narrow path she had already escaped. But after 9/11, purpose mattered more than optics.
The transition was not easy. As the primary breadwinner, she had to navigate a significant income cut and return to school while continuing to support her family. She landed a spot in a UC Irvine teaching internship cohort that allowed her to teach and earn simultaneously, compressing the usual timeline. When her salary dropped by half, she kept going.
She spent the next decade as a teacher at a GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) magnet school, working with fourth, fifth, and sixth graders in one of the most demanding instructional environments in public education.
“Those kids are they keep you on your toes,” Kane said. “Cognitively, they are extraordinarily high, and that creates a lot of emotional challenges.”
She loved it. For 20 years, she loved it.
The Job She Didn’t Get and the Feedback That Changed Everything
Kane eventually pursued a master’s degree in administration with a specific goal: becoming the district’s GATE supervisor. She had supported the previous supervisor informally, had been tapped by leadership for additional responsibilities, and had spent years preparing for the role. When it finally opened up, she applied. She did not get it.
The position went to someone with no GATE teaching experience and no administrative background in the program. Kane requested a debrief.
“Her answer to me was, well, Tiphany, you’re just too passionate,” Kane said. “What she told me was that who I am and what I care about are too much for them. They’re looking for a yes person.”
Part of Kane’s passion was directed at a specific inequity: the demographics of students identified as gifted did not reflect the district’s population. In a district that was more than 80 percent Hispanic, the GATE population sat around 10 to 15 percent Hispanic.
“I can guarantee we have a lot more gifted Hispanic students,” Kane said. “They’re just not being identified because they don’t look the way white GATE students or Asian GATE students look.”
The feedback stung not only because of the professional setback, but because of what it echoed. From childhood in a controlling religious community to the district office, Kane had been told repeatedly that her enthusiasm, her drive, her desire to question systems were liabilities.
“The amount of times in my life I’ve been told that I’m too much, too passionate, too whatever is so much,” Kane said. “I am so sick and tired of feeling like I have to hide who I am.”
Passion as Both Compass and Exit Sign
What makes Kane’s story worth sitting with is that she did not simply conclude that the organization was wrong and move on. She also sat with the harder question: Was the feedback accurate?
Amy Stone asked her directly during the interview: Had she ever recognized in herself a moment when she was too passionate for her own good?
“That was the moment I created an exit plan for myself,” Kane said, “because I realized I am too passionate. Who they want is not who I am. And I have two choices. I will either completely shift myself, change who I am, hide my light, and stay the course and be miserable, or I can leave.”
She chose to leave. But she did not romanticize it.
“There was a certain grieving of a career I absolutely loved,” Kane said. “I was one of those people that woke up every day feeling so lucky for the job I had and loving the students I got to teach.”
The distinction she made about her replacement is generous and instructive. The person who got the job, Kane said, was a good fit for what the organization actually needed: someone who would execute without disrupting. There was no bitterness in the assessment, only clarity about the mismatch.
“It doesn’t mean I’m wrong. It means I’m not in the right place,” Kane said.
How Leaving Teaching Led to a Life in Media
Kane finished out her contract year. During lunch breaks, she started taking 40-minute walks and listening to podcasts. A thought formed.
“I felt this great need to just talk, talk about stuff and say stuff,” Kane said. “And so I did.”
She launched a podcast called “Love and Life After Divorce,” drawing on her experience five years out from the end of her marriage and the shame she associated with it from her religious background. The podcast did not make her money. It did something else.
“My life changed completely in the first couple months of starting that podcast and had absolutely nothing to do with downloads or money,” Kane said. “It changed my confidence, it changed my belief, it changed even the people I was hanging out with. I started seeing other possibilities, other doors started magically opening.”
That opening eventually led to co-founding a production company with her partner, who is also her business partner. The work is varied: audio production for video games, branded content, and creating full shows for companies working to reconnect with their audiences. When one of those clients asked her to also create ads, a category of work she had never done before, she said yes.
“As an entrepreneur, I get to say, well, yeah, let’s do it, let’s go, let’s try it,” Kane said.
She is also building a physical studio, which means carrying overhead, navigating bootstrapped construction costs, and living inside the particular uncertainty that comes with building something you cannot yet see finished. She has lately been dreaming about being back in the classroom. She does not think she will go back.
“I know too much now about entrepreneurship and life,” Kane said. “I know too much to go backwards.”
The sunk cost thinking that keeps many people in careers long past the point of fit, Kane said, is the same logic she had to dismantle after 20 years of teaching and a marriage of the same length.
“You have to let that go and just think about, okay, what do I actually want my life to look like?”
What She Knows Now About Career Change After Teaching
Kane does not sell the pivot as easy. She talks about losing your professional social circle, losing employer-sponsored health insurance, and trading a predictable paycheck for one you have to generate yourself. She talks about grief.
But she also talks about what she calls the sunk cost fallacy as one of the most powerful traps in any career change, and the particular way it operates when you are in a profession people expect you to retire from.
“Sometimes you just have to say, okay, I’m not in the right place,” Kane said. “Life isn’t a straight path and it doesn’t have to be like that.”
The rejection that told her she was too passionate for the job she had trained for turned out to be, in her words, the straw that broke the camel’s back. Not because it was the worst thing that had ever happened to her, but because it named clearly, finally, what had been slowly becoming true: the place she was standing was not the right place for who she was.
That clarity, once it arrives, is hard to lose.
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Career Change: Interview Transcript Tiphany Kane with Amy Stone | The Art of Imperfect Adulting | June 2026
Amy Stone [00:00:00]:
You’re listening to the Art of Imperfect Adulting. I’m your host, Amy Stone. Here I share stories from real people navigating the adventure that I call adulting. Are you ready? Me too. Let’s do this. Hello, friends. My guest today is Tiphany Kane. Tiphany, are you ready for a fun chat today?
Tiphany Kane [00:00:24]:
Yes, I am.
Amy Stone [00:00:25]:
All right. I’m so happy you’re here. Let’s start with this easy question to get started. What part of the world do you call home?
Tiphany Kane [00:00:32]:
Currently I call home California. Beautiful, sunny, beautiful Southern California.
Amy Stone [00:00:37]:
Yes. You answered the next question right already. What’s something you love about where you live?
Tiphany Kane [00:00:44]:
I love that we’ve got ocean, desert, mountains, all within like a two hour drive of each other almost no matter where you live in Southern California. So it’s really cool. Like you can whatever activity you want to do, it’s within reason. So that’s a really fun part of living here.
Amy Stone [00:01:03]:
It really is. I mean, it is a special thing about California, honestly, that you have all of that stuff so close together. It’s why everybody loves it so much. All right, today we’re going to talk about something which is a decision that you made after being told that you were too passionate and what you did next. So I can’t wait to have this conversation. Tiphany, when you were younger, like high school or college, what was the job or the career that you trained for?
Tiphany Kane [00:01:35]:
I was raised super religious.
Amy Stone [00:01:38]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:01:39]:
Very culty, patriotic religious. So my job as a woman was wife and mother, really.
Amy Stone [00:01:46]:
Okay. I did not know this about your backstory. All right, so very interesting.
Tiphany Kane [00:01:51]:
Going to college was ungodlike, right?
Amy Stone [00:01:54]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:01:56]:
So, yeah, it was. I actually participated in skits and things of that sort where we admonished young people not to go to college and about how bad it was to go to college.
Amy Stone [00:02:06]:
Really? Oh, my goodness.
Tiphany Kane [00:02:08]:
Yep, yep. That’s what I was raised in.
Amy Stone [00:02:10]:
I have spoken to several people on the show, not because. Because I was seeking them out, but on the show who have told shared stories of their experience in a variety of high control religious groups. And then their life today, whatever, whatever it might be, you know, some of them are still in it. Some of them have made choices. But I had never heard anybody tell the story of a situation where they had actually admonished people to not go. That’s a whole other level. Not go to college. I did an interview many months ago of a woman who, she did not know that dinosaurs were real. And so the conversation we discussed is that as an adult, she discovered they were real. And the just Crisis of reality. She was like, how could I not? How could.
Tiphany Kane [00:02:51]:
I went in junior college, my first geology class, when I learned how old the Earth really was, I was like, wait, say that again.
Amy Stone [00:03:00]:
Right. Are you sure? Because this conflicts with information I’ve been given by other sources.
Tiphany Kane [00:03:04]:
It was such an aha moment. I mean, I’d already left the religion by then. I escaped cult at 20 years old, put myself through college. It took eight years, but I did it. But it was one of those, like, wait a minute. The Earth is how. Like, I’ve been lied to about that, too. But we were told dinosaurs weren’t real. We were told that all of this fossil information was fake and made up fake news. Fake news.
Amy Stone [00:03:33]:
And to your defense, they no longer roam. If somebody told me, you know, it is a leap of faith, like the fact that there would be giant reptiles walking around on the planet. There’s. You know, they’re not here now, so, you know, there’s. Can you imagine if you walked down the street and the dinosaur rounded the corner and I do live in South Florida, where we still coexist with alligators. And alligators. So those. It’s.
Tiphany Kane [00:03:55]:
I grew up with alligators, too. I grew up in Florida.
Amy Stone [00:03:57]:
Yes.
Tiphany Kane [00:03:58]:
I had an alligator chase my school bus once I’d gotten off it and I got to watch it. I wasn’t very afraid of them.
Amy Stone [00:04:07]:
It is. It is definitely an adjustment. So I didn’t grow up here. But, you know, when you grow up around the alligators, you know, there’s a Florida culture which is like, okay, the alligators are pretty well fed. They’re going to leave us alone. Crocodiles, much more serious about different.
Tiphany Kane [00:04:19]:
Different.
Amy Stone [00:04:20]:
Because they tend to. Tend to be a little crankier.
Tiphany Kane [00:04:22]:
Yeah.
Amy Stone [00:04:23]:
All right. So you put yourself through college when. So you go into teaching. How did that happen? How did you decide that? How did you. How did you find your way to that profession?
Tiphany Kane [00:04:34]:
I love this question so much, because I did. I really fought it for a long time. When I finally started going to school, I wanted to be in a profession that was not typical female, you know, and nurse and teacher and secretary. Those were what women were allowed to do. And I’m like, I got out of something where I was being told what I’m allowed to do, so I want to do something else. And so I went into all kinds of stuff, telecom and all of that. And I was actually in a sales position for a wine company when 911 happened.
Amy Stone [00:05:09]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:05:09]:
And it was my first day in a new position. And in the weeks that followed, 9, 11. Driving up and down the coast, passing San Onofre, which is a nuclear, you know, facility where, you know, there was like, is this going to be the next thing hit? You know, it’s right on the coast. It’s literally on the beach not far from where I live. And, you know, there was that fear. And then going down to San Diego and tasting this moment I will never forget. I was tasting somebody on a German cabinet, which is a beautiful white wine. And I’m. He’s finding things wrong with it. And I looked at him and I’m like, in my head, I didn’t say it out loud. You are such a snob. This is a beautiful wine. There is nothing wrong with this. You are not curing cancer. The world is falling down around our ears, and you’ve got to find something wrong with this gorgeous wine. I can’t be around these people anymore. And I went home and I really thought hard about what can I do that is going to make a difference in the world? And it’s teaching, which I’d always been drawn to, always wanted to do, but fought it because it was typical female. And it ended up. It was a great fit. And I did it for 20 years. And I loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.
Amy Stone [00:06:33]:
How do you.
Tiphany Kane [00:06:33]:
Up until I moved into administration, moving into administration was a totally different thing.
Amy Stone [00:06:37]:
But the teaching, the classroom teaching, what kind of. What cl. What. What curriculum, what subjects did you lean into teaching and what age did you like?
Tiphany Kane [00:06:46]:
I was an elementary teacher. I had a K8 credential. Have K8 credential. And I taught fourth, fifth and sixth grade. I was at a school that just taught fourth, fifth and sixth. And we. Our school’s at gate Magnet School, Gifted and Talented Education. And so I got extra training and became a gate teacher. And I spent about a decade as a gate teacher. And it was quite a privilege. Those kids are. They keep you on your toes. Like there is. There is no being bored. When these are the kids that you have tons of with very highly functioning brains, comes lots of other challenges, right? Like often their emotional and their cognitive are. We call it asynchronous development. And so emotionally, they’re often very, very young. Younger peers, cognitively, they are extraordinarily high, and that creates a lot of emotional challenges. ADHD is very high in that population. Just a lot of challenges and a lot of interesting ways of seeing the world. So it was a fascinating job as a teacher because I really had to think about things differently and I really had to challenge the Kids and I really had to be a good emotional support system for them. And it ended up being a gift because my oldest son, who is now 20, ended up. He’s on the autism spectrum, ADHD and highly intelligent. Like, he’s. He’s literally a rocket scientist. He’s studying astro. So it allowed me to be a better mother to him. Having worked with these kids and seeing all of the incredible ways different brains
Amy Stone [00:08:35]:
work, that is amazing. All right, I’m going to go back to the beginning of your journey as a teacher just because I’m curious about this. So you went to school. Did you have to re. Did you have to go back when you left the sales job and went into teaching? Did you have to do some certificate work or more education? Oh, absolutely. Did you have to plan it out? So what did it take to get. Did you have a, you had a conversation with yourself? Many of us, this is a. There’s a very age, you know, there’s a. There are conversations that happen with people, shared worldwide events. Many people my age, they have that moment. It’s like, where were you on 9 11? Where were you in the Challenger Explosion? I was homesick on the Challenger Explosion.
Tiphany Kane [00:09:17]:
I was in sixth grade at school.
Amy Stone [00:09:18]:
Yeah.
Tiphany Kane [00:09:19]:
Watching it. Right.
Amy Stone [00:09:20]:
Most people were at school. I was not because I was homesick. So that’s, I’m the oddball there. But. So you’re having. And with 9 11, it was a reflective time. Like, first of all, it was disruptive. Secondly, it touched so many of us. And third, it really put things in perspective the way things are. It’s like, all right, things can change at any time. And our kids have different versions of that that they live through in their own ages. But so you have this awareness in your life that you want to do something that matters. You realize it’s teaching. What did you have to do to make that happen and how long did it take?
Tiphany Kane [00:09:51]:
Well, I was the primary breadwinner. My husband at the time, we’re now divorced, but my husband at the time just worked part time and I had the more high paying job. It took a conversation between us, honestly, it got to the point where we were paying mortgage on the credit card.
Amy Stone [00:10:12]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:10:14]:
And I had to go back to school. I was lucky enough to get into the last cohort for a teaching internship. So that meant I did. Because as a teacher you have extra schooling to get your credential and then you also have to do student teaching. And you know, student teaching is. It’s basically free work. Like you’re in a classroom Teaching alongside another teacher and learning from them. And so I got involved in a internship program from UC Irvine, and I was really, really, really, really lucky in that I got paid to do basically student teaching, but I had my own classroom. Right. So. And it was a really accelerated program as far as the. The learning part, the classroom learning part, because I did my learning alongside a teacher as part of what would normally be just cla. Just book work learning, you know, just, you know, in. In the college classroom. So a lot of real world experience. And then I got paid for my first year of teaching. It didn’t count toward retirement, but it counted. You know, I got paid. So that allowed me to go back to school and still be, you know, the primary breadwinner of the family, because it was, you know, just a year without my salary. And then after that, of course, going from a sales position to a teaching position, my salary dropped by half.
Amy Stone [00:11:51]:
Sure.
Tiphany Kane [00:11:53]:
So that was a whole nother thing. But, yeah, that’s. That was what was involved in that. And I continued to work in just a fun retail job while I was going to school to be a teacher.
Amy Stone [00:12:08]:
Very interesting. All right, so I love that story, and I want to say thank you for sharing what the path was. One of the things I’ll come back to a couple of times in this conversation is the connecting the dots between where you started and where you are today. So at some point, you’re applying for a teaching job that you expressed on the form you filled out for me, which, thank you very much, that you felt you were very qualified for it, but you didn’t get it. And you shared that you requested a debrief with your supervisor to discuss this. So I just want to share with everybody, you and everybody who’s watching and listening, that I am today years old, when I learned that you could do this as part of a job application process. Yes. I did not. I had never thought about the fact that I would say, oh, will you debrief me on why I wasn’t selected for this? So, you know, now everybody’s learning. Everybody’s learning today.
Tiphany Kane [00:13:00]:
All right, So I do highly recommend the debrief. It’s really, really enlightening.
Amy Stone [00:13:05]:
Yes. No, I think it makes beautiful sense. Beautiful sense. All right. So the supervisor shares with you that you are too passionate. And so I’m going to give you a chance to talk about that. And I want to start with this question. Do you agree that you were passionate about this and some other things that you were doing?
Tiphany Kane [00:13:24]:
Yes, absolutely. So the position I had gotten my Master’s in administration. I’d moved up into the district office. So I was out of the classroom. And my big goal was to be what’s called the GATE supervisor. So supervising the gifted and talented education program, that’s what I wanted. That’s why I got my admin credential. That was what I studied. That’s what I work toward. And I’m not going to give you the whole long, ugly story, but there are so many layers to this that finally the position opened up and I applied for it. And this was like the third time applying, but the others, I’m not going to give you the story on it, but it was not real applying. Anyway, I applied. I have the master’s degree. I have the experience. I had supported the last supervisor who was unqualified and didn’t know what she was doing and needed extra help. And so they tapped me to help her, and I was head of a team that helped her. All of this stuff, right? And I didn’t get the job. Somebody else got it. Who, again, no experience, lovely person, love her as a human, the person who ended up getting it. Great person, no problem with her. But again, never taught at a GATE school, never even supported a GATE school as an admin, never did anything with the gifted and talented program. And she became supervisor. And again, somebody in there that didn’t know what they were doing, didn’t understand the program, didn’t understand the kids, and that’s where I went to my boss. And I’m like, I’m so confused, because the reason I got my master’s was for this. I was tapped for it. I was asked to get my master’s to go in this direction. I was very interested in it. And her answer to me was, well, Tiphany, you’re just too passionate. And I had to repeat that. And I asked her to explain further, you know, and if she had said, you need more experience, you need more training, try again next year, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, those are all things I could work with. But what she told me was that who I am and what I care about, I are too much for them. Basically, they’re looking for a yes person. They did not really value the gifted and talented program over the years they’d been dismantling it. And my interest was in creating a more equitable program. The kids that are identified as GATE do not match the demographics of our district.
Amy Stone [00:16:03]:
Okay, so this is in the modern definition of equity, where we’re looking at what the community looks like and does it match and are we giving opportunities on a merit based situation really leaning into that.
Tiphany Kane [00:16:20]:
Yes. And you know, just as an example, the district was more than 80% Hispanic and our gifted and talented population was run around 10:15.
Amy Stone [00:16:35]:
Right, right.
Tiphany Kane [00:16:36]:
That’s massive disparity there. And I can guarantee we have a lot more gifted Hispanic students. They’re just not being identified because they don’t look the way white gate students or Asian gate students look. Right. So I was passionate about that. I’m like, this needs to look more equitable. This isn’t. We’re not identifying the right kids. And so yes, I wanted to bring change and they didn’t want that.
Amy Stone [00:17:03]:
So let’s talk about passion a little bit because without a doubt, people in the audience are going to resonate with a variety of parts of this. So many people have the lived experience of having a job with an organization that does not feel like it’s in support of their advancement or really honoring and valuing what is special about them. And I think that a lot of people have at a variety of times in their life the idea that passion for what you’re doing, especially when you’re working, for working in places where there is a level of caregiving or nurturing involved, passion feels like it’s something that aligns with a positive job description. She’s passionate about working with kids. So do you think of passion as being a good thing most of the time?
Tiphany Kane [00:17:59]:
Oh yeah. And that was when she said that that was such an aha moment for me because I’m like, you know what? This is something I value in myself. And having been raised in that super culty, patriarchal religion, I was admonished many times, punished, admonished for my passion and my desire to learn and my excitement for what I was learning. And you know, it’s just like literally the amount of times in my life I’ve been told that I’m too much, too passionate, too whatever is so much. And so it was, that was of the stall that broke the camel’s back, you know, of like, okay, I’ve been hearing these messages my whole life. I am, you know, in my 40s now. I was about 45 then. And I’m like, you know, I’m tired of people telling me I’m too passionate. I’m really tired of that. This is something I really like about myself. This is something I’d like to lean into more. I am so sick and tired of feeling like I have to hide who I am to show up in a world that, you know, where I’m Showing up in the way they say I should show up. It’s exhausting. And I’m done with it. I’m done with it.
Amy Stone [00:19:11]:
So just quick. Not, like, the focus of the conversation overall, but have you ever had an experience where you realize that you are too passionate for something? I actually have. Like, I have a. Like, I have a. I was fired for a volunteer thing where the lady was like, you are too invested. And she was totally right. I wanted to, like, rescue instead of be a part of the. I was like, I’ll just take all of these things with me. Just give everything to me. And she was like, you’re gonna burn yourself out. And I was like, I am. I am. You know? So, like, have you ever had a thing where you’ve realized you’re like, no, maybe, maybe. Maybe I need to take a step back here. I’m a little too passionate for this, for myself.
Tiphany Kane [00:19:47]:
That was the moment I created an exit plan for myself, because I realized I am too passionate. Like, who they want is not who I am. And I have two choices. I will either completely shift myself, change who I am, hide my light, you know, and stay. Stay the course and be miserable, not be me, or I can leave. And it broke my heart because this was a career I worked so hard for. But I did decide to leave because I was like, I just can’t. There’s not a place for me here anymore. I can’t.
Amy Stone [00:20:28]:
So you’re actually both sides of the passion thing. It’s like, you looked at it, and you were like, yes, I am passionate. I love that about myself. And you were like. And because I am so passionate, this is actually not the best fit for me right now, is because I am passionate, and I will not be able to do what I feel really needs to be done. That means that they are right. Like, I am not the best person. All right?
Tiphany Kane [00:20:52]:
We’re not all good fits for. There are some people that are great fits for that, and the. The lovely, incredible, wonderful person who got that position is a great fit for it because she is very sweet and very kind and has a good heart, but also isn’t gonna try to make change, right? She’s gonna do what she’s told and wait. You know, sometimes you need people like that in the world because you just need to get things done right? And I’m not the right person for that, because I would question everything, and that’s not who they need, and that’s not who they want. And sometimes you just have to say, okay, I’m not in the right place. It doesn’t mean I’m wrong. It means I’m not in the right place.
Amy Stone [00:21:35]:
I think that’s really interesting. So you were 45. Because there is that shift in many women’s lives where somewhere between like 45 and 55, we’re just like, yeah, enough of this. I’ll be over there if you need me. All right, so after you, after this meeting, after the self searching, you decide to make a change. You go home and you say, I’m going to start a podcast. I wonder, like, I’m curious whether or not it was like, all in one decision, all in one day, or if it was like, over a little bit of time. I am curious about if, like, you were like, all right, screw you, I’m out of here. Podcast starts tomorrow. Or. Or if there was some time. And then also tell us a little bit about that, that podcast and what it was about.
Tiphany Kane [00:22:19]:
Okay, first, I’m just going to put a caveat. A podcast is not a great way to make money. Don’t quit your job and think, I’m going to become a millionaire making a podcast. So that’s not what the podcast doesn’t have. That, that, that the podcast part of the story is not. Quit your job, start a podcast. You’ll be fine.
Amy Stone [00:22:34]:
This is not, this is not an ad for, for that.
Tiphany Kane [00:22:37]:
No, no, no. Like, go underwater basket. We even sell it on Etsy and you’ll make more money. But what, what I did, like, teachers have contracts, right? So I had to finish my contractual year. So in that contractual year, you know, I still had several months. And one of the things I would do at lunchtime, cause I worked at the district office, not in a classroom at that time, is I would go for walks during lunchtime, a good like 40 minute walk, and listen to podcasts. Like, I had just discovered podcasts and I just realized I’m like, wow, these people are just saying what’s important to them, talking about what’s important to them. Is this something I could do? Like, I felt this great need to just talk, talk about stuff and say stuff. And so I did. I started a podcast. And it was. I was about five years out from a divorce. And so my podcast just had to do with divorce.
Amy Stone [00:23:42]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:23:42]:
It’s called Love and Life After Divorce. And I wanted to talk about kind of the lessons learned. And because of the religion I was raised in, divorce carries so much shame. And so I. The goal of my podcast was like, releasing the shame and talking about, you know, the strength and the Power and that there is life after divorce and it can be great, blah, blah, blah. And just the actual of learning something new, going out there and starting it, talking about something. My life changed completely in the first couple months of starting that podcast and had absolutely nothing to do with downloads or money or anything. It changed my confidence, it changed my belief, it changed even the people I was hanging out with and talking to. My you can only reach for the fruit, you can see, right? And so like I started seeing other possibilities, other doors started magically opening. And in that way, the podcast changed my life. Nothing to do with the downloads, nothing to do with the money, but it was. I was taking a step for myself and just the world just opened up in front of me because of that and changed it.
Amy Stone [00:25:02]:
All right, so I think that project. So like you mentioned, the podcast is not the end of this story. You do something completely different. I don’t know. We’re going to talk next about how that came to be, but I want to just touch base. I said I was going to bring this up a little while ago. I think that when a lot of us are 15 or 18 or 22, we have this idea that that psych 101 class that we take is setting our path and that that means that we are going to do the only job we’ve ever seen that relates to that intro level class forever and ever. And there’s never a chance to change our mind. And I remember feeling like that myself at that age. But I also will say that and for some people it’s true, right? For some people you get a degree, you do the job, that’s all you ever do. But, but I’m continually surprised as an adult how many people do not live that path. And so one of the goals of the show is to try and cross those age group lines, right? So for any 20 somethings out there who hear this, or 40 or 50, anybody who’s trying to do a reinvention, right, let’s people who are thinking themselves. I can’t change my path because I’ve been going in this direction for 5 minutes or 50 years. Talk to us a little bit about how more about this connecting the dots. You went from teacher to a person with a podcast and today you were the co owner of a media company. So walk me through how that ended up happening.
Tiphany Kane [00:26:34]:
Well, I think the big thing is allowing yourself and I allowed myself to see possibility because I was in that. Well, I worked hard for this degree. I have all the student loans to show I’m still paying those damn student loans. I, you know, it’s that loss. What is that? What? There’s a thing. Oh, the lost.
Amy Stone [00:27:06]:
Sunk cost.
Tiphany Kane [00:27:07]:
Sunk cost. Sunk cost theory. Yes. That, like, okay, I’ve put so much time into this. How could I quit now? It was the same with my marriage. I was married for 20 years. It’s like, how can I quit? But, but you just get to a point where it’s like, well, you know, it hasn’t gotten better in this amount of time, so will it or will it just get worse? So sunk cost theory, you have to let that go and you just have to think about, okay, what do I actually want my life to look like? What is really important to me? What can I let go of? Because when you’re changing careers, you’re going to have to let go of a lot of things. Friends, like your, your social circle. A lot of times you’ll lose because they’re work friends, possibly your health insurance. That’s been a huge thing for me is, is navigating health insurance outside as a teacher, I had great health insurance. So steady income. When you own your own business, you’re not gonna have a guaranteed paycheck. Yeah. Gotta, like, really work hard for that paycheck in a completely different way. So it’s being okay with risk, with knowing that you’re going to be giving up a lot while you gain something different. And so for me, the, the shift, there was a, a certain grieving of a career I absolutely loved. I loved, loved, loved being a teacher. I was one of those people that woke up every day feeling so lucky for the job I had and loving the students I got to teach, understanding that I felt the shift when I moved into the district office and I felt like part of me was slowly dying and realizing that I couldn’t live like that anymore. And really having to take the time and do the work of what do I want my life to look like? What really, truly is actually important. And I’m with a wonderful man now, and we had these conversations together a lot. We still have these conversations. He’s my business partner now. And it’s not easy. I’m not going to throw roses at people and just be like, oh, it’s easy, everybody, change what you’re doing. Change your career right now. But I think that if we start life knowing that life is like a box of chocolates, that you’re going to be going on a journey and that you need to know that every step you take is, is teaching you something for the next step. And being okay with this journey being rocky and bumpy and loopy and. And it’s not a straight path. I just think sometimes we’re told it’s a straight path. You get your degree, you do this. Yeah. Especially when you’re in a career that people expect you to retire from, you know, and get your pension and get your whatever. You look at it as a straight path of, okay, I’m going to be doing this for 30, 40 years, and this is what I’m doing. And. But it’s. Life isn’t like that, and it doesn’t have to be like that. You know, some people want that straight path. They want that guaranteed. They want that. That knowing what’s going to happen. And that’s fine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But for some of us, that feels suffocating. It. It feels like, oh, my God, knowing how life is going to unfold for me, like, I. I can’t handle it. And so being, okay, one, with risk and two, with every moment you’re in, gleaning what information can I take from this that I can apply, really, anywhere, anytime, and knowing that, okay, the next step I take is going to be very, very, very unknown. But I have learned so much that I will be able to apply in this new situation that I’ll be able to figure it out. And it may look very different than I thought, and it may be way harder than I’m prepared for, but I can figure it out. That’s what’s helped me.
Amy Stone [00:31:08]:
Yeah, no, I think that that’s very helpful. And I think that it’s easier to talk about not being able to see the next step or the fruit you can reach for until it’s. Until you reach for it. I think it’s easier to talk about that in the past tense, because in the moment, it can feel very destabilizing. No matter if you do it all the time, like, obviously, you can get more used to it, but it is. It is always unnerving. That’s the other way people say, is that you can’t see the net until you jump. And, you know, some people are very. Some people are very brave like that. I happen to be. I have a really high risk tolerance. But I’m also like, if I’m on the cliff, I, like, peek over, and I’m like, how far is it? Like, I see somebody else jump to make sure that I know what I’m doing. There’s a lot of different ways to do that. So the podcast was not the end of the journey. But when you got in there, that’s where things started to open up. That then led you into the media company gig. All right, very good. And I think you say, you describe it as co owner of a media company is what we say. Right. Okay. So do you still miss teaching every once in a while?
Tiphany Kane [00:32:13]:
Oh, my God. I’ve lately been having dreams about being in the classroom.
Amy Stone [00:32:17]:
Really?
Tiphany Kane [00:32:18]:
Like, almost every night dreams about that. So, yeah, I miss it. It’s not something where I’m like, I feel called to ever go back, back to. It’s just not my path. I’m one of those people, like, once I make a move, like, it’s done. I’ve made that decision. I’m not going backwards. This is the decision, and we just go forward. So, yes, I loved those years, loved them, and I still sometimes dream about them. But no, it’s not a life that I could go back to now. I kind of know too much now about entrepreneurship and life and I don’t know, I know too much, like, to go backwards.
Amy Stone [00:32:59]:
Two other options. There you go. All right. So there’s a lot of doom and gloom right now in the space of media, podcasting. Social media has its own special category of doom and gloom. Hollywood film, all of those things. But you are in the media business. What would you say if you have one? Maybe this is in every interview I throw in one question that may or may not be a good question. Here it is. What do you think is the biggest opportunity right now for women who are or who want to be a part of what I call independent media?
Tiphany Kane [00:33:31]:
Oh, my gosh. We need independent media now more than ever. Right? Like, we need voices out there. We need authenticity. I think there is. The more AI and just misinformation is out there when people are like, can I trust this? I don’t know. You know, you’re. Every video now, you’re looking at it like, is that AI? Did that actually happen? Like, it’s. It’s. It’s so frustrating. So I think there is a hunger and a desire, and I think it’s just gonna ramp up for really authentic knowledge building. You know, learning from people that you trust. Conversations that feel authentic and don’t feel scripted, don’t feel overwrought. Good balanced information, good research. And we just have to. The tighter legacy media gets squeezed and becomes less and less trustworthy.
Amy Stone [00:34:38]:
Yeah.
Tiphany Kane [00:34:40]:
We need other avenues. And I think one of the really beautiful things about podcasting and YouTube and just all of these ways where gatekeepers no longer are stopping people, even Music, you know, like, people can create music and get it out there. There’s not those huge gatekeepers anymore saying what voices can get out there. So I would really say to women now, like, there is more than ever a need for authenticity and realism and talking about the things that really, really, really matter because it’s being silenced in mainstream media so much.
Amy Stone [00:35:22]:
Yeah, I think that we agree on a lot of that. And it’s a really nuanced conversation because it’s a. Media is a big industry and the technology is a huge part of. I do look at everything and wonder, like, is it real? And it is sometimes hard to tell. I fell hook, line and sinker for the grandma who was feeding the bear, that the bear was her friend. And, you know, when somebody was like, that’s not real, I was like, so shattered. I was like, of course it’s not real. That’s not a thing that could happen. But I wanted it to be real. I loved the idea of her having, like, a pet bear. And what’s so interesting about that is that had I known that it was fiction, I would have loved it anyway, because I do love fiction. Right. When we know that something is entertainment. I’m pretty sure Frozen’s not a true story. Doesn’t make it not cute. Right, Right, right. So this is going to be old by the time this airs. But I found there was a quote today in something I read from Jim Acosta, who used to be with cnn, which is legacy media, that we would say. And he left CNN and he said, I’m loving the freedom of independent media. You know, especially liberating when you’re coloring outside the lines of corporate media. So there’s all these, like, words that are coming together. Legacy media, corporate media, the gatekeepers. It is a really strange time because they are gone. Right. Like, if you and I wanted to take $5 million that we don’t have and make a feature film, we could put it out into distribution on our own. Like, there’s nothing actually in our way
Amy Stone [00:36:53]:
other than the lack of the $5
Amy Stone [00:36:54]:
million and a good movie idea. But, you know, it’s possible, right? It’s possible. And 20 years ago, it wasn’t, you would have had to get a deal with a studio and get a deal with an agent and all of the things all the way. So I think that’s really exciting. Okay, so in a minute, we’re wrapped this up with my final questions. I could talk to you all day. I say that every single interview. I really, really do. I do want to Give you a chance to tell the folks who are watching and listening what you do. And you can give your website a shout out for where you want people to find you.
Tiphany Kane [00:37:25]:
All right. What I do is fantastic because it’s kind of constantly changing. We have to really change with the times. But with our audio and video production company, We work with video game companies, so we work on the audio for major video game Starfall and Fallout and all of that kind of stuff. But also the part I really love is I get to work with companies on creating shows for them that like, show their brand, but do it through authentic conversations and telling human stories. So I’m working with a large brand right now, Z Gallery. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it. Yeah. So they went through bankruptcy. They got bought by a different company, and this different company is really trying to bring the human piece back. And I got to work with them on ideating the show. Like from zero, starting at zero to creating the show. They asked me to host the show. We filmed the show where produce, like the post production of the show. And now they love what we did so much, they’re asking us to create the ads. I’ve never created an ad before, but I’m like, okay, I’ll learn how to do that. I’ll learn how to do that. I’ll create some ads, you know. And so now we’re having an advertise advertising company. So it’s like I get to. As an entrepreneur, I get to say, well, yeah, let’s do it, let’s go, let’s try it. And so what I’m doing is constantly changing. We’re also building a studio, which you want to talk about being in the middle of the unknown and living in the scary right now, that is it. Having overhead, paying rent, trying to work to keep the business going, while also building something and completely bootstrapping the building like it is.
Amy Stone [00:39:22]:
It is the reason you’re having dreams about teaching. Probably, probably.
Tiphany Kane [00:39:26]:
Probably. It’s absolutely insane. But it’s also like, I don’t want any other life. It’s probably the hardest stuff I’ve ever gone through, but it’s. I feel so lucky that this is my life and that I get to do that. I get to make these decisions. And if I fail, which is a good possibility, we will. I got to fail. Like, I got. It was me. Like, I got to make that choice and I got to learn from it. So I don’t know. It’s great.
Amy Stone [00:39:58]:
That is very exciting. I have platters. So There used to be a Z Gallery by me in Miami, in South Miami, for anybody who’s regionally located. And so I still have platters like that I picked up there that are in my kitchen. It’s been closed for years, though. I didn’t know when you said it, I thought that maybe they just closed the location by me, but it makes sense. They went through a restructuring. I’m excited to see what you created for them. And back to Z Gallery. All right, that is fantastic. All right, Tiphany, are you ready to wrap this up with my final questions? Dump.
Amy Stone [00:40:31]:
Dump.
Tiphany Kane [00:40:31]:
I love the final questions. Let’s go.
Amy Stone [00:40:34]:
All right, this one is multiple choice. Which of the following generations descriptions do you match? Silent generation, Boomer Generation, Gen X, Millennial or Gen Z?
Tiphany Kane [00:40:44]:
I’m an Xer baby. Gen X all the way.
Amy Stone [00:40:48]:
Me too. I would have guessed that. Although sometimes people fool me with their elder millennial status. But yeah, all right. Gen X all the way.
Tiphany Kane [00:40:55]:
All the way.
Amy Stone [00:40:56]:
All right, Very good. Okay, so now I’m going to ask you for a recommendation. This is a podcast. You and I are recording a podcast. You have a podcast share with. And you know, we’re always looking for what is the next thing that we will enjoy right now. We all work from home. We have different ways of socializing. Share with us a book, a podcast, a TV show, a film, a movie. Something that you’ve recently enjoyed that you think that people in the audience might enjoy.
Tiphany Kane [00:41:18]:
Oh, my God. Can I share two?
Amy Stone [00:41:21]:
Of course.
Tiphany Kane [00:41:22]:
Okay. Okay. So it is Women’s History Month.
Amy Stone [00:41:27]:
It is. Yes. This will air in the summer, but we’re recording this in March. Yeah.
Tiphany Kane [00:41:32]:
There is a book that is so unusual and so unique and so fabulous that I just loved so much. It’s called When Women Were Dragons.
Amy Stone [00:41:40]:
Okay.
Tiphany Kane [00:41:40]:
Fiction. And it’s about women turning into dragons, and they turn into dragons, basically as a. It’s a cultural phenomenon, like an evolutionary thing. Response to misogyny. Right. Like, it’s. We’re just done. We’re just done. And to me, it’s a. It’s a treatise on perimenopause, menopause. Right. Like, I’m done. This isn’t. This isn’t working for me. So I’m going to completely change. It is a fabulous book. Completely. I picked it up because the COVID was beautiful. I had no idea what it was going to be about, and it completely blew my mind. Was totally different than I ever thought. And such a good women’s history, you know, just like women power book. And it will really make you Think. And it’s odd too. And I love odd things. So anyway, great book. When Women were Dragons. And then I’m really into my. My podcast right now are either political or medical related because I’m going through a lot of medical stuff. So I’ll stick with the politics because that just feels really relevant right now. I got really into Pod Save America and Runaway Country. I feel like I’m getting good information about current events and Pod Save the World. Good information about current events that I can trust.
Amy Stone [00:43:01]:
Those are all wonderful suggestions and I’ll put links to all of those things. I love the idea of being able to turn into a dragon. I read some sci fi fantasy something or something other that did not stick with me enough that I even remember the name. But all of the magical characters were people who had powers that they could switch into things. Right? Not all of them were dragons, but different things. But the idea was that some of them could just run along and then poof, they were dragons. Just like. Okay, right. First of all. But also, how cool would that be? Because I don’t know. Dragons, you know, dragons are a cool concept. It would be. It’s like, I’m just gonna turn into this dragon. I can fly over the world and I can roast you with my, like, fiery breath if I need to. Right. Like, it’s like, you know, they’re armored, they’re huge, they’re strong, they’ve got the claws and they can burn you with the flame. Yeah, a lot of appeal to that one. Absolutely. Okay, so last one. This one is the random. How do you feel about the trend of cold plunges? Love it, hate it, or simply can’t be bothered to even think about it much at all. I hate being cold.
Tiphany Kane [00:44:21]:
I’ve done it. I’ve done the cold plunges, I’ve done the cryotherapy. I’ve done it. One of my favorite cold plunge experiences, actually, we were in Germany and we were in a river coming out from the Alps, okay? Southern Germany. And my son was like, please, mom. Please, Mom. Please, mom, go. Let’s go play in the river. Let’s go play in the river. And I’m like, you do realize these are. It’s coming from the ice, from the mountains, right? And he’s like, let’s go, let’s go. And then there were these little kids, German kids, that took off their clothes and just ran into the river and were jumping and playing. So I’m like, okay, let’s do it. Oh, my God, that water was so cold. But it was A really fun experience of, like, being in Germany and doing my kids. But no, it’s not. I am not going to seek out.
Amy Stone [00:45:07]:
You’re not gonna. You’re not gonna seek it out? Yeah, no, that’s. No, I. I agree.
Tiphany Kane [00:45:10]:
I have some health issues that makes it super. Almost even dangerous, but.
Amy Stone [00:45:15]:
So then it’s definitely not something you’re gonna do. But, yeah, they. I had a similar experience with the water years and years ago in Maine, where, like, everybody was just frolicking in the water, and I went, like, up to my knees, and I was like, have. Are you guys in this water? Like, do you feel miserable? Like, this is. It was 50 degrees, so it was, like, cold enough that it, like, you felt it. It, like, made you tingle. And I was like. And they’re just splashing around. And I was like, wow, that’s brisk. So very.
Tiphany Kane [00:45:43]:
You know what I love, though? I love that. That says that we are all so freaking different.
Amy Stone [00:45:48]:
Yes.
Tiphany Kane [00:45:48]:
For some of us, cold plunging is like. I feel invigorated. It’s something I love. It’s good for my health. And for some of us, it’s like, oh, hell no.
Amy Stone [00:45:56]:
Right?
Tiphany Kane [00:45:56]:
That is absolute misery. Put me in a scalding shower where my skin burns off, and I am so happy. Like, my partner, he’s like, are you trying to burn my skin off? And I’m like, like, oh, this is fine. I don’t understand. This is great. I think that is.
Amy Stone [00:46:09]:
Yeah, that is. Yeah, that is the thing. And it’s so easy to think that everybody else is going through the same experience we are. But that really is the thing. It’s like, you know, just because something is great for you doesn’t mean that it’s the answer for other people. It’s so true in so many things. And then there are the rare things where it’s like, no, no, that’s a bad idea for pretty much everyone, like, smoking, Right.
Tiphany Kane [00:46:34]:
I don’t know any one person that that’s actually good for, but no, 100%.
Amy Stone [00:46:37]:
Right. You know, and it’s like. And. And even with that, right, like, there’s some. Well, I don’t know about. I don’t have any information about smoking, but it’s like, we are all different. So it’s like, you know, fruit is generally healthy, but then some people are allergic to it, so it’s not healthy for them. And it just goes back to. It’s like, you know, it’s like, we just don’t know. We just don’t know. And so that anytime somebody’s like, this is the solution. I’m like, it might be. You know, the one I was thinking of is, like, you know, drinking, you know, cleaning products. Like, so, like, you know, if you were to drink Windex, that’s probably not okay for anybody. No, right. Like that one or like, I can’t think of anything else ridiculous that would be like that. But, you know, I do.
Tiphany Kane [00:47:21]:
I do feel like anytime somebody comes to you with an absolute, this supplement will cure your. I have a chronic illness, and so I get this stuff all the time. This supplement will cure everything. This energy healing treatment will cure everything. Everything is related to your gut biome. And just heal that and you’ll be better. So whenever absolutes are spoken, it’s like, you know what that is? So humans are so nuanced. We are so complicated. People who study the human body for their whole lives do not have the answers. And for many of us, they don’t know what’s going on with us. So.
Amy Stone [00:47:58]:
True.
Tiphany Kane [00:47:59]:
No, don’t speak in absolutes to me. That’s. I have a. That’s a pet peeve of mine, my dear.
Amy Stone [00:48:04]:
Right. No, I absolutely agree with, like, the other one I was thinking of is Tide.
Tiphany Kane [00:48:07]:
You absolutely agree?
Amy Stone [00:48:08]:
I do. Like. Like, so, like, I’m pretty sure that nobody should be eating Tide pods. Like, that would be. If somebody’s like, don’t do this, I’d be like, I agree. Right. You know, laundry detergent is shanaku in my body. And. And the other thing, it’s like. It’s like believe people when they tell you about their experience. And if it doesn’t make sense to you, there’s always a chance that you just don’t understand it. Because for one person. For one person, something is a great idea, and for other people, it’s gonna make them really sick. And it doesn’t mean that either one of the things is either more true. Right. And it’s just like, we can be so intolerant. But I knew somebody years ago who had Crohn’s disease and was in a constant state of inflammation. She had a very limited. A very, very limited amount of things that her body would tolerate. And, you know, people would. I would watch people try and, you know, offer her advice and just think to myself, just hush. She’s on her. You know, just don’t try. Just stand with her.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:04]:
Yeah.
Amy Stone [00:49:04]:
Like, if.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:06]:
If you are talking to somebody with some sort of health condition that they’ve been dealing with for a while, and you start with, have you tried? Or you should. You know you’re about to say something that’s not helpful at all.
Amy Stone [00:49:21]:
Right.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:21]:
If you start with how can I help? Or I’m sorry or how are you feeling? Or what are you feeling? Those are fine. But you should and have you tried and that kind of stuff, it’s not, it’s not going to be.
Amy Stone [00:49:35]:
Or I read this.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:36]:
That’s a tangent that I could talk about forever.
Amy Stone [00:49:38]:
I read an article on substack about.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:40]:
Yeah.
Amy Stone [00:49:41]:
Stuff. Step to the right.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:43]:
Yeah.
Amy Stone [00:49:43]:
You’re you over there. Yeah.
Tiphany Kane [00:49:47]:
I’ve done a series of videos on Instagram, little skits. I. I try to have a good sense of humor about it, but helpful phrases that actually hurt. And you know, it’s people that love you that want to do the right thing. But man, sometimes what they say, it’s like you are diminishing my experience right now. Right. Diminishing my experience. And that’s. It hurts.
Amy Stone [00:50:10]:
I had that conversation. I’ve had that conversation a couple of times with people about grief. When people come to try and jump in with grief. And so people will say things with the intention of being supportive and helpful and wonderful people, wonderful people coming with the best of intentions. But the impact in that moment can be not always. Not a guarantee. Humans are not like computers, where it’s one plus one, plug this in. And this always happens, but every once in a while it doesn’t hit right at all. And instead of being helpful, it’s like just salt in the wound. So I appreciate that perspective because it’s one of those things that it’s like a conversation we kind of have to have over and over again. Because even if you know it, even if you know it, you can step into, you can accidentally put yourself in that conversation. Like, even if you’re very familiar with it. I would be a liar if I didn’t say that. Every once in a while I was like, will you out?
Tiphany Kane [00:51:00]:
Uh huh huh. Especially if something’s worked for you.
Amy Stone [00:51:03]:
Right. You know, and then, you know, and just. It can be hard.
Tiphany Kane [00:51:06]:
You know, I cut gluten out of my diet and I feel. And it’s true. I cut gluten out of my diet. And it’s helped every. It’s helped so much. But that’s me. But sometimes I get on my gluten drain.
Amy Stone [00:51:18]:
No. Yeah.
Tiphany Kane [00:51:19]:
And the.
Amy Stone [00:51:19]:
Well, years ago. So like, I had to do an elimination diet under the instruction of a, A doctor for a while, which was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. Just because it’s hard to maintain. It’s like, you’re right. You know, it’s like, it’s like there’s only a certain amount of rice and chicken that I want to eat in my lifetime. And then I was ready to move on and I was not given that option. And so, you know, and people, Whole 30 was a thing then, and people were like, selling it as, like this thing to do. And I was just like, you know, if you don’t have to do the, like, don’t sell this as, like a fun time, you know, Like, I was really hungry, you know, but that’s just the way. That’s just the way we are as people. All right, that’s it. Tiphany Kane, thank you so much for being a wonderful guest today.
Tiphany Kane [00:52:08]:
Thank you. I could talk to you forever. So thank you for this great conversation. It’s been really fun.
Amy Stone [00:52:16]:
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